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    dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    I read a whole bunch of posts on a blog about the Fuji S9000 and S9500 and people were especially scathing of the Nikon D50 and D70.

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    I bought the Fuji S9500 last week and quite happily sold my Nikon D70.One of the most overrated cameras ever-I am convinced that those that own the Nikon have convinced themselves its the best thing since the wheel.If that is the case why do they have to rush out and buy Photoshop costing in excess of $500 then spend all night in front of the computer to try and get a useable image? why?-because the Nikon is incapable of producing a decent out of the camera picture--so what the heck makes it a brilliant camera then? it can`t do what a camera is supposed to do so its not that clever then is it.All the pics I have taken so far with the Fuji have been perfectly focused(no blur-like 20% of Nikon turns out)spot on exposure and razor sharp.Producing an image of about 4.5mb in jpeg whilst the Nikon only manages 2.5mb or so.Will never get a dust problem,Nikon are prone to this.Is fitted with first rate optics,an excellent macro mode and is half the price of the Nikon lens kit.

    I have compared many similar photogaphs between the two cameras and to my mind the Fuji is turning out much better quality images.In fact I was still using an old S7000 when I bought the Nikon and even then I was in two minds as to which camera turned out better straight from camera pics.In view of the price difference at the time the Nikons should have been 3 times better,suffice to say they wern`t even twice as good as the S7000`s pics.Us guys who use Fuji S9500 digicams and similar should all get together for a shoot out with dslr owners,take the media cards straight into a photo lab and get 10x8 prints taken off--see how lost these poor users would be without the power of an image enhancer to give them a good photo.We would have some right p**** off dslr users and if they had tails would be firmly between legs.No doubt they would come up with some excuse as to why their images were left in the shade by a humble digicam.
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    I'm a photogrpher for a newspaper chain in western Canada with 25 yrs experience in photography. If the image quality of the Finepix S9000 stands up decently, I'll be able to hang up my big, heavy DSLR and lenses exept for the most extreme low light conditions. It will give me a small all-in-one camera that's easy to carry, will not have dust issues, will always have the right lens on it, has quick operation and because it is small and silent (no mirror slap) I'll be able to work unobtrusively with it. I also get the benefit of a tilting LCD readout for those hard-to-reach extreme angle shots.
    I've been waiting for years for a camera like this to come out and I can't wait for it's release.
    As for the CCD vs. CMOS argument over image quality, all I can say is I use a 6 MP CMOS-based DSLR now. It's very good, but my old 3 MP Finepix S1 Pro blew it into the trees for colour and B&W reproduction. The old S1 was a pig to operate, but it provided outstanding images.
    When Fujifilm bolts together a good camera you really get a great image maker.
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    I've been waiting for a camera like this
    I must admit, I have always thought that top end "bridge-cameras" as I call them actually offer far more functionality and even take better pictures than bare bones entry level dSLRs.

    I think this is a good topic of conversation as a number of you always recommend dSLRs to beginners which I think is the wrong move.

    Discuss.

    **edit FujiS9000 vs Canon 20D

    http://www.neocamera.com/review_fuji_s9000_crops3.html

    VERY interesting...
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    Re: dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    If you don't know how to use SLR properly, you will end up shooting far worse then even point and shoot camera.

    He may have had bad copy?
    All SLR get dust inside the sensor, so why does he only mention Nikon?
    9mp vs 6mp = image size on the FujiFilm is bigger then D70.


    It all depends on the user and how much time and money they want to spend.

    Obiviously he made the wrong decision and venting his anger towards Nikon.

    the 20D comparison is just plain funny. you can take similar quality image with normal point and shoot.

    If they gonna compare try landscape, nature, fast action etc instead of shooting some old books.
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    Re: dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    I have been going back and forth over what camera to buy, This isnt the first time i have come across this attitude/opinion.

    I think im going to knock the whole SLR idea on the head and grab a much cheaper and easier Fuji S5600 or if i can afford a higher end model i will stretch to that.

    Thanks

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    I can't comment on the specific Fuji S9500 vs a DSLR because I don't own one or know anything about the Fuji point and shoots. But I can say I agree about the post proccessing on DSLR.

    With my D50, I have to post proccess every single picture, quite a bit. With my Canon A610, I never post proccessed a single picture.... ...although to be fair, with the Canon, at the time I just got into Digital Photography and didn't know much about post proccessing.

    The fuji looks good though, 28-300mm range. I'd hate to see the price of a lens to get that on a SLR.

    edit: I agree with brown statements.
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    |f I said I shot these cars with dSLR, you would believe me.

    but it was shot with my Point and Shoot Ixus 40 (4mp). As you can see anyone can take great pictures with most camera but SLR gives you the extra options to make it a better e.g raw, changeable lens, battery life, build quality, better control of DOF etc

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    Re: dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by brownnutter
    |f I said I shot these cars with dSLR, you would believe me.

    but it was shot with my Point and Shoot Ixus 40 (4mp). As you can see anyone can take great pictures with most camera but SLR gives you the extra options to make it a better e.g raw, changeable lens, battery life, build quality, better control of DOF etc

    Changeable lens yes, but that's not always an advantage, especially to the novice.

    Battery life? Not sure, 4x2500mha AA batteries in my Fuji S5100 last a pretty long time and you can always have a pack of alkalines as emergency backups when a power point for recharging isn't handy.

    Build quality. Hold the S9000 and close your eyes. Feels better than the 300D IMO and even more solid than the Elan 7 (which I have).

    DOF? I am suprised you say this, because to get the 300mm focal length @ f/3.1 (the S9000 has f/2.8-3.1) on a dSLR, you're going to have to spend a LOT of money on a lens. Now if you're in that kind of league, you're probably not going to look at a prosumer lens anyway. Sure some canon lenses have a really nice circular apeture ring that creates a very decent DOF - but it is mnatched on the S9000.

    I wouldn't class the S9000 (or even the S5100/5600) as being "point and shoot" cameras. Yes they can be used that way on full auto, but then so can a 350D (and most people who buy it, rarely venture beyond the presets) - but both Fujis offer full manual, Apeture priority, shutter priority as well as multi-point focus/exposure, spot focus/exposure (seperately) and ISO modes 60 - 400 or 80-1600 depending on the model.

    In all honestly, I think there is some snobbery around dSLRs - that you won't be taken seriously unless you own one, which is not a healthy attitude, It really is like saying you cannot write a decent story without using a $3000 pen and only the finest paper.
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    Re: dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoolook
    In all honestly, I think there is some snobbery around dSLRs - that you won't be taken seriously unless you own one, which is not a healthy attitude, It really is like saying you cannot write a decent story without using a $3000 pen and only the finest paper.
    Unfortunately it is to be expected in everything where the equipment you buy produces a subjective result. Same kind of thing happens in music as well.

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    Re: dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    I don't really know what to make of this debate. All I'm going to say is I am more than happy with my Nikon D50 and 3 lenses I have. I am also happy with our P&S Canon A610.

    Just a hobby for me, I am not going to let this worry me. Always something better out there. I say just have fun with what ya got and post some pics....[dots]

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    Re: dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    Quote Originally Posted by solidshot
    I don't really know what to make of this debate. All I'm going to say is I am more than happy with my Nikon D50 and 3 lenses I have. I am also happy with our P&S Canon A610.

    Just a hobby for me, I am not going to let this worry me. Always something better out there. I say just have fun with what ya got and post some pics....[dots]
    Heh heh... it's not about what is best, that is subjective. It's a little bit about what is recommended to newbies... especially those people then who post

    "Right, I got my 350D and stock lens, which I have not even tried yet, but I now need a 200mm zoom and a macro and some filters... I have $200 to spend. I have no idea what I am doing... BTW here is a picture of my back fence, what do you think?" I can't wait to try this baby out when it's not raining
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    Re: dSLRs vs High end Prosumer Cameras

    LOL

    Yeah well we all start out newbies, and we all start out a little differently [rofl]

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