I think all drugs should be legal
I think Marijuana should be legal & have smoked it myself
I think Marijuana should be legal but have not smoked it myself
I am undecided.
I think Marijuana should be illegal & have never smoked it myself
I think Marijuana should be illegal & have smoked it myself
I think all drugs should be illegal including Alcohol & Tobacco
I expect the theory is that when one can pick up a pack of smokes for the same price as a pack of tobacco, there'll be less interest in paying as much for a single joint (depending on prices where you live).
It may, indeed, bring in a similar business model of the older days of tobacco cigarettes when different strength and flavours were available.
As for legalising ALL drugs - there is an arguement for that, but unless the rest of society is prepared to humour your stupidity, which I doubt, you may have to survive without benefits - ie, still hold down a job. Then what'll you do when you've fried your brain and can't, or won't, work?
It's hard enough for those who're disabled through no fault of their own - why also support those who did it knowingly?
Last edited by Gordo; 02-04-2012 at 12:39 PM.
You´re acting as if legalizing drugs would solve all/most problems, but that´s bs.
I personally believe the costs and the problems that would follow would dwarf anything that´s going on now.
Street violence/crimes would rise, the drug death rate, especially in the young generation would skyrocket, criminality in general would rise (where would all the junkies be getting their money?), HIV would hit unknown rates and just think about all the other drug related problems, health issues, accidents, etc.
And where would the drugs like Cocain and Heroin be coming from? They´d probably be still coming from the places they are now, just more of it, which in itself just makes some criminal cartels stronger and richer.
Sure people will always be using drugs, but if you open the gates, there will only be over problems.
I wish your utopic thinking would actually work
But no matter how you try to touch the drug problem, it´s a lose lose situation.
Maybe they could legalise some drugs such as cannabis, weak opiates, mdma type drugs.... None of these drugs cause anywhere near as many social problems as alchohol... And this would probably take a lot of the market away from illegal drug use..... Admittedly legalising hardcore drugs such as heroin, cocaine and crystal meth probably wouldn't be such a good idea... Most people who smoke cannabis or take the other things I mentioned are not criminals and do not deserve to be put in jail with violent inmates etc. for it imo.
Last edited by CorrupT88; 02-04-2012 at 03:51 PM.
Health issues? No can't use that one, tobacco and alcohol are the 2 biggest killers and they are legal. That argument is pointless unless you make alcohol and tobacco illegal to, you can't pick and choose what things that are bad for your health are illegal.
Accidents? Few drugs affect the motor control centre of your brain as badly as alcohol. No double standards.
Last edited by BlindKensai; 02-04-2012 at 04:08 PM.
Do you give money to the typical druggie/alky on the street begging for 50p to "make a phone call"? Why does taxing everyone to pay for it work instead?
Don't say, but "they will be collecting taxes off of selling". No they won't. Very little will go back to tax coffers. Illegals will be sold, undercutting the government. Fail.
One of the best rehab centres in the UK - Broadway Lodge - which is local to me is £800 a WEEK in fees for private treatment; you could be lucky to get in via the charity side. And people can be in there for many weeks, and then in secondary care, which is usually in a house full of other patients at the same stage to provide peer support and guidance on how to get life back on track. That's generally paid by the local authority of where the client originally came.
The drug death rate rose 63% between 1999 and 2004, and then another 27% between 2007 and 2009. Most overdoses involved prescription painkillers like Oxycontin and Vicodin, which users typically combined with alcohol or anti-anxiety drugs like Xanax. Deaths involving painkillers more than tripled between 1999 and 2006.
Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/1...#ixzz1lQaOLUJf
Furthermore, Painkiller prescriptions began rising in the late 1990s and 2000s, when doctors, drug companies and patient advocates pressed for increased access to pain-relieving drugs for patients with cancer and chronic pain, who were being severely undertreated. Studies show that this campaign did increase patients’ access; for example, opioid prescriptions for Medicaid patients rose three-fold from 1996 to 2002.
Increasing access before increasing, or without, education is a proven disaster.
On the other hand, stimulants can have both sides. Effects on Driving: Observed signs of impairment in driving performance have included subjects speeding, losing control of their vehicle, causing collisions, turning in front of other vehicles, high-risk behavior, inattentive driving, and poor impulse control. As the effects of cocaine wear off subjects may suffer from fatigue, depression, sleepiness, and inattention. In epidemiology studies of driving under the influence cases, accidents, and fatally injured drivers, between 8-23% of subjects have had cocaine and/or metabolites detected in their blood. An examination of 253 fatally injured drivers in Wayne County, Michigan between 1996-1998, found that 10% of cases were positive for blood cocaine and/or metabolites. On review of accident and witness reports, aggressive driving (high speed and loss of vehicle control) was revealed as the most common finding. Ethanol was detected in 56% of these cases, and all of these drivers lost control of their vehicles. In Memphis, Tennessee in 1993, 13% of 150 drivers stopped for reckless driving were determined to be driving under the influence of cocaine based on observations of behavior and appearance, performance on field sobriety tests, and positive urine cocaine tests. http://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/r...ugs/cocain.htm
The simulator provided a comprehensive and coherent set of stimulus inputs which produced a degree of realism not usually found in laboratory studies. Both the initial and the supplemental doses of caffeine significantly enhanced performance beyond that found with placebo, on each of 4 measures of alertness. http://psycnet.apa.org/journals/apl/59/4/483/
There are not enough studies on how your body reacts when stimulants wear out whilst performing motor-intensive tasks to make a valid claim that stimulants' benefits are overall beneficial. Some will make you drowsy or temporarily provide over-sensitivity with a sudden drop.
When referring to drugs that probably shouldn't have been made illegal, at least not without proper understanding, was LSD. LSD boomed without full understanding of its effects. Unfortunately, this stigma on LSD, ecstacy and some other mildly unsafe substances has stuck on politicians from a time who did not understand or were ignorant, or, in LSD's case, likely lobbied by religious fanatics that see mind-altering effects akin to being taken by the devil. These ignorances on relatively safe illegal drugs will likely stay until the fanatics or ignorants pass.
But on drugs that have a significant effect on reward pathways, such as heroin and cocaine, should NEVER be legal. Arguments can be made on Cannabis, MDMA, LSD and GHB etc. But you have to properly educate, educate, and educate or misuse can be fatal in many cases. GHB should never be swallowed or used with alcohol etc but otherwise can be safe. MDMA should have the same type of warnings as sexual performance drugs that increase heartrate, and about its fluid requirements. Cannabis can have psychosis. Noone has a definitive answer why some people are more likely to be affected, why they develop dependence or fatigue effects. Most people believe cannabis makes you happy, gives you a good time, but it's similar to alcohol in the effect that it exacerbates feelings currently afflicting the user. Is cannabis worse than alcohol? IMO, yes it is. Both can be used safely in the short term. Cannabis is typically used pari passu tobacco and due to that link, and the fact it creates smoke, makes it inherently more dangerous than alcohol. Abuse of both substances is both costly in terms of healthcare, and cause dependency. Cannabis is also likely to cause mental problems which is not seen with alcohol that relieving the body of tends to rectify.
Last edited by russ18uk; 02-04-2012 at 05:56 PM.
Man, thnx Russ you saved me some time [thumbup]
"Legalising alcohol doesn't stop people acting like twats, beating up their wives, smashing up streets. Being off your face does. Yeah, OK, providing heroin/crack on tap would "solve" the stealing-to-feed, but you're stealing-to-feed from the taxpayer instead to pay for their habit. That's worse."
Im sorry but alchohol causes a LOT of problems and literally MAKES non violent people violent... It is a horrible drug tbh and causes a lot of problems... Much worse then cannabis.. If you go out in the UK on a weekend the streets are literally packed out with pissed up wankers after a fight....
Last edited by CorrupT88; 02-04-2012 at 06:32 PM.
People think legalising substances would solve all the crime issues that affect society and the money made would pay for any treatment. They have absolutely no idea at the real cost - just what the press shows them or their own made up world. I'm really surprised at DKM's views as, I believe, he works in the treatment of drug addicts. That may be Waters' case as well. 11% of the UK's treatment centres are where I live (if you believe Wikipedia) by 2006. I know ****ing loads of people who have been in treatment and still not fully integrated into society 5, 6, 7, 8 years after successfully completing it. So many have relapsed it's unbelievable.
http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-public...-from-tobacco/), and cost about 7 billion through health and employment losses (http://www.personneltoday.com/articl...-than-2bn.html). So tobacco tax revenue more than paid for itself and with billions left to spare to put into other things - why would it be any different with drugs?
As for me knowing a sweet FA, you don't know anything. Drugs have been a big part of my own life and I've had close friends and family members struggle with alcohol and heroin addiction (one of which is still ongoing, final phase). Another of my friends went into psychosis and developed agoraphobia when he was 14 from smoking hash and I didn't see him for 3 years and we only communicated by letter. I started writing out my person experiences and problems but decided it wasn't a good idea to post it here. If you feel I need your badge of drug knowledge approval we can speak about it via PM.
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