F-22 raptor

[Kyros]

no... they are different aircraft targeting different areas.

F-35 is basically a stealthy bomb truck while f-22 is a dedicated air supremacy fighter

was the F-35 vertical takeoff capable?

[Thresher]

was the F-35 vertical takeoff capable?

One variant is.

[skyward]

The F22 is so unstable that if the computers ever stopped working, the plane would rip itself apart. I've read somewhere that if the computers fail, the pilot is automatically ejected (I guess that works unless the computer controlling that fails, too ).

Well lets hope they arent running Vista on them.[rofl]

[canberraKarter]

Did you know the airframe's maneuverability is actually inhibited by the flight computers? The human pilot actually holds the plane back greatly, because it is capable of maneuvers that would kill a pilot. [yes]

[rofl]

Where did you read that? Fox news?

It is limited to the point a pilot will not blackout, the pilot's are very capable of surviving the maximum performance of an F22, unless it was sustained for a very long period of time for the lack of oxygen to the brain to become critical. Of course once a pilot does blackout, the pressure on the controls will cease, G-forces will lower and the pilot will regain consciousness within seconds.

The F22 is not new in this regard, Jet Fighters have been able to exceed the pilot's G-limit for many years now.

Red Bull racing pilot's pull more G's than Jet Pilot's given they don't have computer's limiting their control inputs.

[Lord_Micron]

[rofl]

Where did you read that? Fox news?

It is limited to the point a pilot will not blackout, the pilot's are very capable of surviving the maximum performance of an F22, unless it was sustained for a very long period of time for the lack of oxygen to the brain to become critical. Of course once a pilot does blackout, the pressure on the controls will cease, G-forces will lower and the pilot will regain consciousness within seconds.

The F22 is not new in this regard, Jet Fighters have been able to exceed the pilot's G-limit for many years now.

Red Bull racing pilot's pull more G's than Jet Pilot's given they don't have computer's limiting their control inputs.

EDIT: You know, I'm not even going to play... Childish comments when you have no clue where the other person gets their information from. You won the internets! [rofl][rolleyes]

Do you feel especially good about yourself now? You sure showed me! I feel like an insignificant peon who only gets my information from LoMar infosystem reps at defense tech trade shows! [no]

[canberraKarter]

Not really, more like the defense technology trade show I attended last year where LoMar was giving a presentation on the systems driving the craft... [rolleyes] I worked for defense contractors from 2004 through this past December before I broke off completely on my own... Where'd you get your info, hotshot? The intrawebs?

Go ahead, do your usual routine of big noting yourself, but I'm not here to win an argument.

I know what I know.

[Lord_Micron]

Go ahead, do your usual routine of big noting yourself, but I'm not here to win an argument.

I know what I know.

Umm... so you're not here to win an argument, but you're here to start one and slink off when you're called out?

I know what the LoMar reps explained in their presentation... They know what they know, and I have a feeling they know more than you.

EDIT: And you know, it's not like I'm claiming to be a know-it-all on the subject like you, I'm simply regurgitating information... at least I'm noting my source, whereas you've offered nothing. I'm done with this thread, if you wanted to dispute what I had to say, you didn't have to be a douchebag. You were looking for an argument, not a discussion. Period.

[tomatomanz]

F-22 supposed to replace F-16 rite?.. which its the best multi-role fighter.

The last i heard, F-16 still the best multi-role fighter even that time F-22 was out.

Cheers

[zeddoo]

F-22 supposed to replace F-16 rite?.. which its the best multi-role fighter.

The last i heard, F-16 still the best multi-role fighter even that time F-22 was out.

Cheers

Depends on how you look at it... F-16 is considered the best air superioity plane ever, as it has never lost a plane vs plane fight and has been the dominate plane for the last ~25 years. That said, there are certainly planes that are just as capable if not more so than it. It never really went head to head vs the top of the line russian counterpart during that time. Most of the engagements it has won have been against far lesser planes with far lesser pilots.

There is no question that the f-22 would dominate anything in the sky today (i know you Euro's will argue this, but in head to head, all things being equal or near so, stealth wins out). However, at 200 million a plane it is not practicle to have anywhere near the #'s of this plane as were seen by the f-16. Last i heard production will end at 350 or so planes, which for an air dominace plane seems sufficient to me.

[THE_FRUITY_ONE]

Depends on how you look at it... F-16 is considered the best air superioity plane ever, as it has never lost a plane vs plane fight and has been the dominate plane for the last ~25 years. That said, there are certainly planes that are just as capable if not more so than it. It never really went head to head vs the top of the line russian counterpart during that time. Most of the engagements it has won have been against far lesser planes with far lesser pilots.

There is no question that the f-22 would dominate anything in the sky today (i know you Euro's will argue this, but in head to head, all things being equal or near so, stealth wins out). However, at 200 million a plane it is not practicle to have anywhere near the #'s of this plane as were seen by the f-16. Last i heard production will end at 350 or so planes, which for an air dominace plane seems sufficient to me.

I thought the F22 was supposed to replace the aging F15?